The Amnesia Experience
In the course of working on our future together in the astral, Irene and have been talking about and exploring different systems by which to enjoy our eternal everlife together. Something we've been working on for a long time, which has its roots in something we we experienced here in life, is what we call "the amnesia experience," where one of us has a temporary bout of amnesia and gets to encounter the other as if for the first time for a brief duration. We already had a few of models for enjoying this experience worked out when we started exploring the idea of having a "second life" in an adventure game world where all we would have no memory of our astral lives for the duration of our pre-set time to play.
In other words, when we entered the adventure game world, we would have an ongoing life there in and of itself. I started thinking it would be cool if, when we entered the game world we would be "waking up", and when exiting we would be "going to sleep." That's when I realized that, according to much afterlife information, that's exactly the kind of condition we find ourselves in now: choosing to enter a world where we have no memories of our "real life", and visiting our actual home while we sleeps, having no memory of it when we wake up.
Obviously, we are having an amnesia experience in this life. It perfectly fits with what we know about ourselves as eternal beings and the nature of existence here. I carried the logic forward towards what we know about many or most people when they cross over - how they have to acclimate and learn about the astral, which never seemed to me to be rationally consistent. Why wouldn't we have an immediate understanding of life there, and how to do astral stuff, if we have already been eternal beings and are just having a temporary physical life? It's as if our amnesia experience was being carried through to our entering the astral going forward. Why would we do that?
Also, why is it that when children cross over, they are still children in the astral, and have to "grow up" there? That makes no sense unless they are also unique versions of themselves with their prior astral existence sublimated for that new version - in other words, if they are also having a meta-amnesia experience.
That's when I realized that what we (Irene and I) are having is a dual (both of us) meta-amnesia experience. The wild thing is, this model dovetails precisely with other afterlife information about how some "higher" aspect of our self is helping guide us through this life, and that we pre-planned it, and why we are (usually) not that "higher" version of ourselves when we cross over, but are actually a continuance of the person we were when we were alive.
Also, why is it that when children cross over, they are still children in the astral, and have to "grow up" there? That makes no sense unless they are also unique versions of themselves with their prior astral existence sublimated for that new version - in other words, if they are also having a meta-amnesia experience.
That's when I realized that what we (Irene and I) are having is a dual (both of us) meta-amnesia experience. The wild thing is, this model dovetails precisely with other afterlife information about how some "higher" aspect of our self is helping guide us through this life, and that we pre-planned it, and why we are (usually) not that "higher" version of ourselves when we cross over, but are actually a continuance of the person we were when we were alive.
Unless you put it in the context of a meta-amnesia experience, it makes no sense at all that we are traveling to the astral every night and consulting with others about our life here, and that we would make the decision to continue our lives here despite the pain of grief or other serious challenges if, when we are here, we simply wish to cross over as soon as possible. You can't be "the same person" as you are here if, when you cross over, you become aware of the reasons why you stayed in this life - you must immediately have that broader perspective along with knowledge and understanding of the astral and its relationship with what you were doing in the physical. You would have to become the person that made the choice to stay in life and not be the person that would have chosen to leave life immediately.
However, the meta-amnesia model make sense of this, meaning that when we cross over, it is that consciousness that goes forward, not the consciousness that planned the whole thing and was making decisions contrary to what you, as a physical being, would have preferred from its astral perspective. It is at that point that our pre-birth planning consciousness remains suppressed via amnesia and our new version of ourselves, developed since birth in the physical world, continues forward as we cross over from this world to the astral. So, we stay "us", the version of "us" that we remember from birth going forward.
Now, I'm not saying that all the prior consciousness is "gone", but rather it is suppressed into our subconscious and unconscious (higher versions of ourselves beyond the astral? Oversoul?) in order to experience this new consciousness going forward, the one that has to "re-learn" the nature of the astral, the one that is so surprised and delighted at the nature of the astral, the one that has a joyous reunion with crossed-over loved ones. What kind of "reunion" can there be if, upon crossing over, we have the memory of a continuous eternal existence there with our loved ones? Without the meta-amnesia experience model, that makes no sense.
Please note, I'm not saying this is the case for everyone. Many people may regain their complete knowledge and memory of the astral and beyond upon dying. Some people here may not even have amnesia with regards to their pre-life existence or sleep-time astral experience. I'm talking about a particular kind of experience sequence that afterlife information supports as being what a lot of us experience when we cross over; not remembering our eternal existence prior to entering life on Earth at birth.
The question is, why would we do this to ourselves? Why would we so meticulously plan out a meta-amnesia experience that carries over through our arrival in the astral? Obviously, we did not come to Earth and forget everything if our main purpose here was to learn about the astral because that would be incredibly self-defeating.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have definitely come to understand why Irene and I did it, and it may also be true of other eternal, romantic twin flame soul mates. I've also come to understand and appreciate that not only have we done it before, but why we might do it again eventually.
I've listed before the great number of very meaningful things we acquired in this life - like deep appreciation for each other and an immense appreciation for the conditions of the astral (youthful, energetic, perfect bodies and a lack of financial pressures, for example), that really can only be acquired, in my opinion, in an amnesia experience like we have on Earth, where we age and are mortal, where there is illness, suffering, etc.
However, that begged the question: have we really never done this before? We're eternal beings, and we've never had this kind of experience where we gain those perspectives? Really? Again, that just doesn't seem likely. I don't like explanations that require I be going through something particularly unique at this point in time. In other words, I have never liked invoking a "special pleading" for any circumstance, which is a logical fallacy. The idea that Irene and I just happen to have found ourselves in our single Earth life, or in the last Earth life we're ever going to have just to pick up these perspectives just doesn't pass the smell test.
However, the meta-amnesia model make sense of this, meaning that when we cross over, it is that consciousness that goes forward, not the consciousness that planned the whole thing and was making decisions contrary to what you, as a physical being, would have preferred from its astral perspective. It is at that point that our pre-birth planning consciousness remains suppressed via amnesia and our new version of ourselves, developed since birth in the physical world, continues forward as we cross over from this world to the astral. So, we stay "us", the version of "us" that we remember from birth going forward.
Now, I'm not saying that all the prior consciousness is "gone", but rather it is suppressed into our subconscious and unconscious (higher versions of ourselves beyond the astral? Oversoul?) in order to experience this new consciousness going forward, the one that has to "re-learn" the nature of the astral, the one that is so surprised and delighted at the nature of the astral, the one that has a joyous reunion with crossed-over loved ones. What kind of "reunion" can there be if, upon crossing over, we have the memory of a continuous eternal existence there with our loved ones? Without the meta-amnesia experience model, that makes no sense.
Please note, I'm not saying this is the case for everyone. Many people may regain their complete knowledge and memory of the astral and beyond upon dying. Some people here may not even have amnesia with regards to their pre-life existence or sleep-time astral experience. I'm talking about a particular kind of experience sequence that afterlife information supports as being what a lot of us experience when we cross over; not remembering our eternal existence prior to entering life on Earth at birth.
The question is, why would we do this to ourselves? Why would we so meticulously plan out a meta-amnesia experience that carries over through our arrival in the astral? Obviously, we did not come to Earth and forget everything if our main purpose here was to learn about the astral because that would be incredibly self-defeating.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have definitely come to understand why Irene and I did it, and it may also be true of other eternal, romantic twin flame soul mates. I've also come to understand and appreciate that not only have we done it before, but why we might do it again eventually.
I've listed before the great number of very meaningful things we acquired in this life - like deep appreciation for each other and an immense appreciation for the conditions of the astral (youthful, energetic, perfect bodies and a lack of financial pressures, for example), that really can only be acquired, in my opinion, in an amnesia experience like we have on Earth, where we age and are mortal, where there is illness, suffering, etc.
However, that begged the question: have we really never done this before? We're eternal beings, and we've never had this kind of experience where we gain those perspectives? Really? Again, that just doesn't seem likely. I don't like explanations that require I be going through something particularly unique at this point in time. In other words, I have never liked invoking a "special pleading" for any circumstance, which is a logical fallacy. The idea that Irene and I just happen to have found ourselves in our single Earth life, or in the last Earth life we're ever going to have just to pick up these perspectives just doesn't pass the smell test.
Give the eternal nature of our experience together, why would I just happen to find myself at this time, in this place, in these circumstances on Earth, given it's much, much more likely - infinitely more likely, in fact - to be experiencing our eternal selves in our glorious astral conditions? It only makes sense that I find myself here, in this situation, if this is indeed a unique version of my consciousness that began at birth in this world and will carry that particular consciousness with me when I cross over into the astral. "This" conscious me has never been to the astral. My prior astral experience has been suppressed.
In this new context where I have, at birth, begun a new meta-amnesia experience, everything makes sense. It doesn't put me in a special circumstance because Irene and I may have done this very thing countless times before. However, the question still remains: given the nature of our afterlife, why would we do this all over again?
In this new context where I have, at birth, begun a new meta-amnesia experience, everything makes sense. It doesn't put me in a special circumstance because Irene and I may have done this very thing countless times before. However, the question still remains: given the nature of our afterlife, why would we do this all over again?
The answer, for Irene and I, is that there are things you just cannot experience in the same depth, context and quality without going through the meta-amnesia experience from an origin point (birth) in a situation like we find on Earth - with zero conscious memory or knowledge about the afterlife and our lives there. Re-living and re-experiencing an Earth-life moment from the perspective of being in the astral, for example, when we first met, first kissed, fell in love, made love for the first time, cannot be the same thing as actually going through it because it is re-experienced from the perspective of knowing how it all turns out. That's not the same kind of experience, although it can be really, really good and rewarding in its own right.
Given a context of, say, 10,000 years of continuous conscious experience from birth on Earth to reaching a point in the astral where we say, "let's do it all again," I can honestly say that doing the life-on-Earth meta-amnesia experience is definitely worth it, a thousand times over.
What I wonder, though, is whether or not we can gain the tools, ideas, systems and perspective over the course of several such iterations (in conscious form and easily-retrieved, suppressed, subconscious form) where the experience of having 10,000 years of relationship discovery, "firsts," and development from an origin point is not, eventually, the more attractive option. Meeting for the first time from a history of disappointment and bad relationships, touching for the first time, kissing for the first time, falling in love, making love for the first time, seeing how each other responds to challenges and developing that love, admiration and adoration is a very, very powerful and rewarding experience to go through. I can easily see us doing that 10,000 year relationship arc over and over (100 years or so on Earth, 9,900 in the astral).
The fact that I find myself here, in the meta-amnesia experience, indicates that at least up until our births here, restarting our romantic adventure from the beginning (in the conscious sense) was the more attractive option for some reason. It may be that we're acquiring experiences, ideas and perspectives in pursuit of not ever having to do a meta-amnesia restart again.
The fact that I find myself here, in the meta-amnesia experience, indicates that at least up until our births here, restarting our romantic adventure from the beginning (in the conscious sense) was the more attractive option for some reason. It may be that we're acquiring experiences, ideas and perspectives in pursuit of not ever having to do a meta-amnesia restart again.
We both developed ways of not taking each other for granted and for living in appreciation of each other and what we had/have in this life. What I don't know is, is this something we already had, in our subconscious and unconscious? We kept on top of our relationship in terms of serving as each other's lookout for things that might be headed in a negative direction, and we developed ways of open and honest, heartfelt discussion. We both have the ability to savor our experiences. We developed the mini-amnesia experience here, which was very fun and rewarding. We both cherished the different aspects we saw of each other as time changed our circumstances - which is something that would surely still apply in the astral.
We've acquired a lot of capacity for enriching and renewing our future astral relationship experience while in this particular life, which I don't think would have been available from previous lives (such as various technologies like virtual world games, which include character design systems and other promising features). Actually, while writing this, I've come up with another idea involving our character design system that would serve as both a relationship renewal and the capacity to develop new perspectives of each other.
So, it is part of my purpose in this life to figure out modes of thought, experience, and come up with ideas so that we won't want to ever do a complete, meta-amnesia re-start of our consciousness, but would rather continue building on, expanding and enriching our romantic experience eternally. In this particular situation, my motivation for finding such methods is very high; I expect it to not be nearly so high once I transition. I'll be far, far more focused on enjoying that experience with Irene and, over time with a broader perspective, come to see the "reboot" experience here on Earth as not that big of an issue.
This is the perfect situation and opportunity for coming up with ideas on how to carry our conscious experience forward eternally without formal "reboots," because it is from this perspective that I have a great desire not to ever even want to reboot again. Even though I can see that it is worth it a thousand times over, I want to find a way to a relationship where "not rebooting" has a much, much higher value. This would mean that the ongoing, eternal accumulation of the experience of our romantic relationship together does not diminish the "newness," thrill, appreciation for each other, and does not diminish our capacity to see each other in new ways in order to experience that expansion of love and desire, and "newness" quality, that we get rather easily from a reboot, amnesia experience.
Edited to add: I got three confirmations on this from Irene so far today. I had told her I was going to need confirmations about this amnesia-experience perspective on what we are doing here.
We've acquired a lot of capacity for enriching and renewing our future astral relationship experience while in this particular life, which I don't think would have been available from previous lives (such as various technologies like virtual world games, which include character design systems and other promising features). Actually, while writing this, I've come up with another idea involving our character design system that would serve as both a relationship renewal and the capacity to develop new perspectives of each other.
So, it is part of my purpose in this life to figure out modes of thought, experience, and come up with ideas so that we won't want to ever do a complete, meta-amnesia re-start of our consciousness, but would rather continue building on, expanding and enriching our romantic experience eternally. In this particular situation, my motivation for finding such methods is very high; I expect it to not be nearly so high once I transition. I'll be far, far more focused on enjoying that experience with Irene and, over time with a broader perspective, come to see the "reboot" experience here on Earth as not that big of an issue.
This is the perfect situation and opportunity for coming up with ideas on how to carry our conscious experience forward eternally without formal "reboots," because it is from this perspective that I have a great desire not to ever even want to reboot again. Even though I can see that it is worth it a thousand times over, I want to find a way to a relationship where "not rebooting" has a much, much higher value. This would mean that the ongoing, eternal accumulation of the experience of our romantic relationship together does not diminish the "newness," thrill, appreciation for each other, and does not diminish our capacity to see each other in new ways in order to experience that expansion of love and desire, and "newness" quality, that we get rather easily from a reboot, amnesia experience.
Edited to add: I got three confirmations on this from Irene so far today. I had told her I was going to need confirmations about this amnesia-experience perspective on what we are doing here.
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